I see.

And I became way more open and had a lot more experiences.

And my same job, my boss, who had been a friend, her dad, um, was dying of cancer, and my father had already passed of cancer, and I was trying to help her through it.

And she, the day he died, I channeled her emotion.

Like the moment he died, I turned to my husband, I said, "Her dad just died." He goes, "What?" Which is not the first time I have felt someone die.

And he said, "How do you know?" I was crying hysterically.

I was crying her tears.

Oh, yeah.

[laughs]

Um, uh, so I, I didn't grow up with any of these words or terms, and I didn't grow up knowing anything about this industry, honestly.

I just grew up, um, I'm the youngest of seven, and my, I'm fourth generation female with these skills from my mother's side.

Several of my siblings were sensitive, others were not.

And we just grew up doing strange things, not having any idea it had something to do with a broader term or a broader life or anything of that nature.

Um, I'd say about 10 years ago, a friend of mine told me I was clairvoyant.

I, I had to look it up.

Um, so can you talk to us about that and, and, uh, what happened to transform your understanding of consciousness and purpose and what happens beyond what we see? And was this near-death experience before the episode with your dad or after?