Can you state, man, their case?

Yeah, sure.

They have substantial resources working on the security of open source projects that, you know, are ubiquitous, and they've used, you know, a lot of compute to do that and very expensive and very capable security researchers, um, to do that.

And that, that's their viewpoint is they are contributing by doing that.

But I think that's where opinions differ.

Um, it, it, it opened up a lot of interesting fissures, uh, I would say.

Um, it does seem that there's a portion of the security community that, um, look at themselves a bit like building architects that never have to go to site.

Um, and this is like standard.