The first artist to exhibit their work at NOMAS was the Edinburgh-based photographer Kieran Dodds, who has been involved with Morphe since its earliest days.

I think the transition from university or college to work is far harder than going from high school to university.

People think that's the jump.

but it really is difficult.

Often you're moving city, but often all your friends are disappearing.

So you lose your support structure in that respect.

You lose the discipline of college life as well.

um called husk and i think and it was fantastic for a few years to have a gallery space and i think from that we'll learn the value of having a physical space um some of the that people can bring their work and show their work and talk about the the work um you know and hang out with for a while so i think in a way that planted a seed um

Yeah

... and quite exciting for that.

I wanted to challenge myself.

So I thought, I thought it'd be, it'd be an interesting idea.

And two things happened, uh, just before the referendum, and one, one was when I was researching, I realized very quickly onThanks to a very dubious map on the internet [laughs] um, there, there was actually a global distribution.

It wasn't just a Scottish trait.

You know, it's a cliche of national identity, um, that we're all like me, pale and ginger.

Yes.