What was that journey like for you?

Yeah.

Well, I think some of it reflects my own life and the journey that we've been on, because we have three kids.

Our oldest, Cooper, who you mentioned just a minute ago, when he was going to have to go to college, we needed to figure out how to come up with some, some extra money for that.

And, you know, you can raise money, at least we can raise money on Kickstarter, uh, through crowdfunding to make a record, but you don't really make any money anymore from actually putting music up on these streaming services.

Just not enough to make the next record.

So what we needed to do at that point, my wife suggested that we try to maybe schedule some hymn sing kinda house shows, where I could tell stories and play guitar and Cooper could sing.

Right.