Right

... you know, so s- so, and, and then myself, and so that's the gist of, uh, of the Arizona Four.

I'm also known as Arizona Squatch, but I, that's what I, I originally started under.

Um, you know, so the, uh, particular location up on the rim that we call Hilltop, um, just a lot of activity up there.

Matter of fact, that's where I met Rob.

Uh, he'd been camping up there at that point 25 years, and that's five years ago, so he's been in that spot for 30 years.

And, um, you know, so he, he goes up there with his wife and some friends, and, and the friends of his aren't really into the squatching thing.

Okay.