said,

I want to be a manager, right? Essentially.

So our owner is Mark, Mark Lindenen.

And kind of got to know Mark and he kind of sold me this vision of where Applied would be.

And I was to come in and do the operations and production management and probably had a good background in design.

So I started there and fixed a lot of the design issues because that's where a lot of our waste was coming from.

So I spent the first two years doing that.

yeah I mean one I wish we all had that like when around the factory originally