When did you realize that beauty and success weren't giving you what you thought they would?

Well, I believe that I struggle with that still, because [laughs] I s- right? It's that, you know, I call it the shiny door.And it still looks beautiful to me, and I still wanna go to it as an answer.

Mm-hmm.

However, I think with age, I think with age, that also slowly starts to dissipate, and, and then you start to really...

Um, the idea of the spiritual answer starts to become more alive, and that shiny door is...

You- we know it's there, and it's always gonna be there.

I don't really think that it, it goes away, meaning that, um, is...

[laughs]