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He's awesome.

He's a very special person.

I can't wait till y'all meet him someday.

Um, he, so he was i- he was unusual to begin with, but he was witnessing in his community, you know, he's in Massachusetts.

There's a lot of problems with opioids.

He was, there were drug overdoses.

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I don't think so.

I, I, I think we were...

I think because we...

So in the underground, so...

And people listening probably are having experiences in the underground.

And when I say the underground, I mean there are, um, committed facilitators working with ayahuasca, mushrooms, LSD, MDMA.

They're...

Yeah

Science Studies.

And And they have a big conference and we were shocked.

There were like 4,000 researchers there, serious scientists who were studying psychedelics.

We had as teens and young people in Austin, Texas done mushrooms recreationally, you know, from the cow patties, but we didn't know anything about the research.

And so I told this to Carol and we went out there and she realized I need to do ayahuasca.

And to do ayahuasca, she had to get off her pain medication.

And she was on high dose opioids like fentanyl, more fentanyl than her sister-in-law when she was given birth.

We don't want that merger