W-why do you think that's important, someone with a lot of experience in this space? And, and what does collaboration between institutions mean to you?

Well, [sighs] I can talk to you about collaboration from many different angles.

Um, how many areas and universities work at the moment, it's all about collaboration and partnerships.

In my area, for example, in global and digital education, we partner internally with our faculties or other central units, but we also partner externally, um, really all with that purpose to create a great student experience and a great teaching and learning outcome.

And I think that's super related to this panel discussion because regardless if we are talking mergers, if we are talking the creation of a network of regional study hubs or even tertiary harmonization, it all really needs to benefit the students and create opportunities for them.

Tell us about some examples of that.

Yeah.

So we are definitely confronted with an absolutely accelerated pace of change at the moment, with lots of new regulatory, new barriers thrown at us.