So can you outline what a truly high functioning board looks like compared to a dysfunctional one?

Yeah, it's interesting.

You know, I think the way that governance has matured in Australia, we've got this, you know, generally this nice platform of policies and structures and systems and processes.

But that alone will not bring about a high performing board.

It is about the dynamics within the boardroom and the dynamics between the board and management team fundamentally in the work that we do.

And so what does that look like? Well, to start with, it's people who are operating from a model of trust and integrity.

It's people who can constructively question, who can listen to others and adapt the way that they might think about an issue after listening to others.

Are we going to be asking younger people to take on governance roles or is that something that's not going to quite work? Will they go into the advisory type of space?