So, um, how did this all come about for you? Where did, where, which, where does your story start in this line of work?

Uh, pretty much my pre-adolescent days, Mike.

I started on camera when I was about 11 years old, which is hilarious 'cause I have an 11-year-old, and she's like, "Mom, let me shoot a video." Um, [laughs] so yes, I started out early.

I started out, you know, doing commercials, film, indies, and then I started my first business at 22, and I was always using video to grow my businesses.

It was just something I knew, something I was comfortable with.

I can't say I was, like, um, strategic with it.

It was just I had an opportunity when I had my interior design business to be the local interior design expert on our morning show.

Sure

sort of where we've

been up until now.

And finding even the idea that the male and female would be these two polarities that are opposite sides of a coin and not like every bit of the melding metals of the coin and the concept of what the coin represents.

I don't know if you know this, but pennies got canceled.

We don't have pennies anymore.

You don't get pennies for change and the government doesn't make pennies anymore.

Like pennies, pennies are done.

I don't know what's going on with that