So Kent, you get to lead us off with your thinking on Bowen Theory in the conversation about sexual diversity.

Well, I think in terms of Bowen Theory, the topic of sexual diversity is is a relatively new one and how, how theory has thought about sexual diversity really hasn't been addressed really since I began to address it, you know, in the last 10, 15 years, which was all predicated on my own personal experience of being in the postgraduate program.

I was married, had two children functioning as a heterosexual person, man in the world, which all of it was very important to me, and began to realize that my identity really was as a gay man, that it had been a lifetime of denial, minimization, suppression for family reasons, the part of the country that I lived in, the socio-historic times that I grew up in.

Often, people think that as you're working on differentiation in the past, that one wouldn't come to a same-sex orientation.

That was the thinking at the time, that same-sex orientation was more related to undifferentiation and perhaps closely related to a pathology.

If a person was really working towards differentiation, that wouldn't be the result.

But the more I was working on self and differentiation, that became the result.

I was thinking about how do you hold on to your own thinking as someone who is really challenging an idea in a theory or, you know, even an idea in society? How do you hold on to your own thinking? How is Bone Theory a resource to you in that and holding on to your own thinking in the face of others who might think quite differently?