So I think any advice you have around when did it come into your area, and would you prepare differently? I mean, what would you tell somebody now who's like, if this is your journey, here's what you need to start adding to your pathway if you want to become an OT industrial control system cybersecurity professional? Yeah.

So kind of a long journey, but the short version of it was I spent a little time after Valmet working for a company that did network management support for, if anybody remembers the Palm 7, there was a Palm pilot that had the flip up antenna that was using the RIM network to do, you know, email and text messaging type of stuff.

That was hot stuff back then.

That was hot stuff back then.

And honestly, pretty resilient.

And so I wound up working at a company that did all of the network management for Palm.

And I learned a few things.

What would you say now? Would you say, hey, that's still, I mean, heck, go into assessment? Or would you say, you know, learn about the nexus of cloud or AI with cyber and industrial? I mean, what would be that thing now that you would seem to be akin to or sort of analogous to you picking that particular area back then?

So I think any advice you have around when did it come into your area, and would you prepare differently? I mean, what would you tell somebody now who's like, if this is your journey, here's what you need to start adding to your pathway if you want to become an OT industrial control system cybersecurity professional? Yeah.

So kind of a long journey, but the short version of it was I spent a little time after Valmet working for a company that did network management support for, if anybody remembers the Palm 7, there was a Palm pilot that had the flip up antenna that was using the RIM network to do, you know, email and text messaging type of stuff.

That was hot stuff back then.

That was hot stuff back then.

And honestly, pretty resilient.

And so I wound up working at a company that did all of the network management for Palm.

And I learned a few things.

What would you say now? Would you say, hey, that's still, I mean, heck, go into assessment? Or would you say, you know, learn about the nexus of cloud or AI with cyber and industrial? I mean, what would be that thing now that you would seem to be akin to or sort of analogous to you picking that particular area back then?