That seems to be, like, the thing he's driving at chapter after chapter, that c- trying to get more of that kind of stuff out in the world.

Yeah.

Th- there, there are, um ...

It's reminding me of, um, because of my experience with outdoor education, this, you know, as an Outward Bound instructor, for example, I ...

And then my time, um, teaching handcrafts here at the Maine Coast Craft School, and then, um, the idea of combining those things.

And then there's also kind of bushcraft skills too in there.

But these three circles, the idea of those three circles coming together where people are, um, having an expedition, they're in that expeditionary mindset, but they're also crafting things at the same time, could be really exciting.

As we shape a thing with our own, with our, uh, with our mind and heart in the process, we come to an understanding of one more part of our world."

Could you tell us a little bit about how you met Bill or his influence on you?

Sure.

Hi, everyone.

Thank you, Joshua.

I was just telling Joshua it's a real honor to get to speak about Bill on this format, so I'm grateful to have this opportunity.

I met Bill in, or excuse me, I heard about Bill first in 1995 when I was the summer intern at Country Workshops with Drew and Louise Langsner down in western North Carolina.

And of course, Bill has a lot to do with the starting of country workshops.

So I'm just curious how Bill talked with you about the ideal being things that anyone could make, And also appreciating having a place for expertise or skill or mastery.