And so how are companies like how are folks drawing the line and how are they getting to a definition of ready for engineering handoff? Like what's that collaboration look like and what are you seeing there?

I do want to caution that building out a prototype is very different than building a production ready system.

That's why, I mean, it's very important skilled engineers that understand systems, architecture, can understand how to scale things, understand the security and regulatory concerns that you might need to account for, the data aspects of it, data governance, those elements, all of that is really very important to take, to go from idea to production ready software.

So there's still a ton of work that has to be done between the specialized agents that you develop and the engineers that oversee those, and ultimately have accountability for those facts that have to make sure that those elements make it into the product.

But what you're trying to do is you're trying to shortcut the rework that has to happen by waiting until you've invested in all those effort before you realize, oh, we went down a wrong path.

We need to go sort of retool the specifications and we misunderstood the customer's requirements.

You're trying to get to a confidence level of what it is that you're building.

What are you seeing in the space right now? Like, has that calmed down at all? Like, what are what's driving success or failure in that space right now? I think