And you have a fascinating statistic, don't you, as well, about people who come to faith in Jesus, about how important it is, young, young, the youth.

Yes, I think, I mean, the Evangelical Alliance would previously have published information that suggests that 71% of people Adults who follow Jesus in the UK made that decision before the age of 20.

So that includes children as well as teenagers.

And it includes Christian families as well as non-Christian.

But I could see that the openness of non-Christian teenagers gave a great opportunity for the gospel.

So Youth for Christ was brilliant and I loved it because it was so diverse and so energetic and with lots of ideas about being relevant to youth culture but being faithful to the gospel.

So the mission was to take the good news of Jesus to every young person in relevant ways.

So tell us about that.

got

millions of letters still being produced.

Piling up.

Piling up.

So when the strike is over, you have a secondary problem of how you clear the backlog.

Yes.

In an effective way.

Is it so reliant on this?

Yes, that's

right.

The leader is serving and supporting.

Yes.

Yeah, so I...

As a leader in Royal Mail, I didn't actually ever work for what's now called the Post Office, just so that people aren't confused.

In days gone by, the Post Office covered a number of different companies, including British Telecom, Royal Mail, Parcel Force and so on.

They should be.

And then you basically did some A-levels and then you went to college to do engineering, isn't that right?

Yeah, I did an apprenticeship after A-levels, because in those days, to become an engineer, you needed to have some industrial experience.

So I did what was called a sandwich course one year after A-levels in a factory in Manchester, making silicon chips.

So that was my introduction to electronics.

And then I went to university, but I'd been playing in a band in Wigan.

And originally I was going to go to Manchester University, but I switched to go to Liverpool because it suited me to be back at home.

I was playing in nightclubs two or three nights a week and earning, for a young person, what seemed quite a lot of money.

and