Now, you already as a journalist, you were a lecturer in journalism, and you've also trained people on Freedom In- Information and how to make requests.

Yeah, for a few years I taught in, um, DIT, which is now the Technological University of Dublin.

But mostly I taught, um, writing actually, which is obviously one of the other things that I'm very passionate about is, is actually writing.

And I taught, um, the journalism students, but also students on the public relations and the political communications courses.

And I, I do training as well with people on how to use FOI with, um, you know, um, with, with regional journalists, with student journalists, with, um, environmental groups, public participation groups, sometimes with people who were involved in politics and so on.

Because I suppose one part of FOI is that oftentimes it's seen as, its most public profile is as a tool for journalists.

But actually, um, the majority of requests are made by citizens usually looking for their own records.

Would Freedom of Information be quite similar, that you need to know what avenue you're going at, what you're looking for?