He scored two, but there was one in particular where he almost sat the keeper down.

But I mean, it's hilarious.

Like they're saying, oh, we've run it all through an AI.

And you're like, and this is, and by the way, what Citi have done here, this is all part of the same process that brought them such stars as Omar Marmoush sold to Tottenham, Nico Gonzalez sold to Newcastle, and Tajani Reinders sold to Saudi Arabia, all part of the same group.

They're all like, this is a rebuild.

You know, the city machine has swung into action.

No stone is left unturned in researching all our signings.

I'm just not the last guy.

What has your being, sense of America and this World Cup been?

And, well, I enjoyed it more than I thought I would actually, 'cause, uh, I was fairly...

I had a lot of trepidation about it in the beginning, um, just with how kind of massive it is and how much sort of travel and, like, there's a lot of sort of schlepping around and all this.

And actually, you know, it wasn't too bad, uh, from that point of view.

The, the worst thing about being in Mexico, uh, in America I should say, is how expensive everything is.

It's kind of insane.

And, uh, it's, it's a bit of a grind and I don't know how people live here really, most people.

But to finish on, Ken, especially in that game, and even for the semifinal, I think we, we got the best team won.

Yeah.

Like a proper, a proper beating, you know, in the group stage.

And after that game, Diego Simeone sent a voice note to his friend who, I think it was Hernán Burgos, the kind of big, uh, goalkeeping coach, used to be with Atlético.

He, is he on the Argentina staff now? I'm not 100% sure.

But anyway, uh, Simeone sent a voice note where he was like, "Sh- God, what a shambles," you know? And he was talking about what a disaster the Argentina team was.

"It's gotten, it's, it's totally in disarray.

There's no leadership.

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... of international football, aren't they, like, in terms of-

Well, they've got a ...

They do have a, a half-decent record.

I mean, they have ...

You know, they were in the ...

They finished third in the '86 World Cup.

They got to the semi ...

... at club level, didn't score a lot of goals at international level.

Ralf Rangnick performance as well from, from them?

Do you know what I think with, with Austria? I don't think Austria have been great.

They, they lost the s- the best player prior to the tournament with injury in Baumgartner.

So they, they were probably done before the tournament started.

If they were gonna win any games and, and beat a, a team like Spain, they w- it was gonna be a little bit of grit, back- it backs to the wall stuff.

And Rangnick doesn't play like that.

Rangnick wants to be a team that goes pressing and going, going up against sides, and Spain just picked them apart.

Yeah.

I mean, the first half, which, um, y- th- which you, you obviously watched closer than the second, but I mean, they, they were, it was a typical English tournament performance in that it was chaotic and anything could have happened, right?

Well, that was the, that was the, I thought the really interesting thing about it.

It was like, how can they change every element of everything and, uh, over so many years, you know, different coach, different sort of philosophy, different players, um, and still be the same? Like it's, it, there's something really remarkable about that kind of consistency.

And when I say still be the same, what I mean is don't really look like they're able to play football on the level of their opponents.

And, and we're talking here about an opponent, a Croatia team, which is a shadow of the team that it was.

You know, uh, when they, you know, they knocked England out in 2018 in the semifinal.

Um, the best player is still Luka Modric.

Um, but what's interesting is I haven't heard a single former professional on all the channels I've been watching say anything good about the idea of water breaks.

He was in Kansas City to watch Argentina beat Algeria 3-0 and Messi score a hat-trick.

It was absolutely incredible.

I mean, you know, everyone is there coming to see Messi, everyone is wearing the same shirt, you know, 69,000 people, nearly all of them have Messi on the back of their shirt.

I mean, this guy is like the biggest superstar that the game has produced.

And most of the people there have come really on a pilgrimage to see him because we're always thinking, well, you know, I mean, he's getting towards the end.

He's getting towards the end.

But I mean, I was, I thought three and a half years ago when I saw him winning the World Cup in Qatar, that that would be it.

Next up for you in Dallas, England.

He told us what it was like to be there.

It was really great, I have to say, Gavin.

I mean, it was...

It was an unusual kind of game.

It was just a pure Mexico event.

There was hardly any South African fans there at all.

Most of the South Africans, I guess, almost in the stadium, it felt as though we're probably the ones involved with the team.

It seemed like that for Mexico and we would have enjoyed it, wouldn't we?

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Well, it's a massive issue for 99% of people.

There's a lot of people who have enough money, especially in America, that it doesn't matter to them.

You know, it's one banana.

What could it cost? $10? There's quite a few of those people in America.

And Gianni Vettino spends all his time around those people.

And he's talking about, he's sitting there talking about it being the most inclusive World Cup as he defends a pricing strategy that excludes 99% of people, probably more than 99% if we look at the world.

As far as you're concerned, can you look beyond France and Spain in terms of winners of the tournament?

What exactly did Southampton do?

Well, they have admitted to spying on the training sessions of Middlesbrough, Oxford and Ipswich, so at least three instances of this.

Now, if you look at exactly what they did, there's a famous photograph illustrating...

Illustrating what happened, and I think it says quite a lot about this story, the actual photograph itself.

What it demonstrates is that it's clear Southampton never considered for a moment that the consequences of what they were doing could be remotely as serious as they've turned out to be.

because you see that this was not a highly sophisticated covert operation there's a guy standing behind a tree filming with his phone right he's clearly visible to anyone who happens to look that way and anyone who looks over will know that he's recording because he's he's got his phone out in the you know he's looking at his phone he's almost got his tongue out between his lips sort of concentrating on the image that he's recording right this does not look like a guy who realizes he is putting £200 million at stake, right? Everyone's career at the club at risk, right? Because if he did, if that had crossed his mind for a moment, you'd expect he would at least hunker down in the bushes a little bit rather than somebody saying, it's actually farcical.

when you think about it to see the consequences of this idiotic thing that they've done.

This game was due to go ahead on this weekend, wasn't it?