Well, Ken, you have been the, uh, you've been the quiet one this time around.

That makes a great sniper.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm always looking for an opening, looking for the headshot, but you know, guys, I mean, this is interesting as we talk about all these things that are going on.

So the old person in me, I'm, I'm above 60 and I know I don't look at thanks, but But anytime.

But but I am 70 is 70 years old is in range.

I'd love for my daughter to be able to experience God's creation in a state that isn't absolutely screwed.

Why is that the case?

Yeah, well, I suppose it partly boils down to money.

Art is mostly treated as a luxury, and therefore you kind of have to have more money than you need to think that you want to spend it.

I mean, that's very crudely put, but I think that's probably... bears up to some investigation.

So until, you know, the church does most of the commissioning of art up until, say, the 18th century, then it shifts to merchants.

And then, of course, the Industrial Revolution means that we get people making lots of money from technology which derives from science.

So the Carnegies, the Rockefellers, the Thyssen family in Europe.

Is that the idea of where science as a patron of the arts begins? Is that what's in it for the sciences and scientists?