And so I love this conversation about what likability is, what character is, and if you can win with one or the other or without any.

Yeah, absolutely.

And it depends on the context of the time, right? So, you know, sometimes it's just...

You know, it's the right person at the right time.

And some things you brought up, Ralph Klein, you know, a great example of someone who was immensely likable.

And he could get away with things because the times were different.

He couldn't do that kind of thing today because his likability factor would really go way down.

Um, talk a little bit about Wabin, how he's kind of sustained that.