What were some of your biggest kind of expectations or fears about giving birth when you were taking yourselves all the way back to being pregnant? And where do you think some of those perhaps kind of came from for you?

Yeah.

I, I think, um, so I think I've always had a bit of a, a bit of a fear around, um, around giving birth, going into labor.

Um, and looking back on it now, um, it was definitely from a place of, um, just not knowing enough about it at all.

And, you know, you just see how it's portrayed on TV and films, and you hear people telling you their experiences, and we found that people either had just the most perfect, amazing experience ever or the absolute worst, horrific experience ever.

So you just hear extremes, and it's just, uh, you know, it's n- it's not informed and it's not, um, you don't have the full picture.

So I think I was just picking all of that up, um, you know, along the way.

How did, how did that shift come about? What was that moment? Because like you say, initially you th- felt like you always had that fear of birth, and then got to this place where actually you were excited and ready.