in their testimony that she could

talk to people that they couldn't.

to soldiers that they couldn't, which sounds really odd.

You know, you figure you could talk to, because we have a modern concept or even a medieval, even a pre-modern concept that everybody, you know, goes through hierarchy, goes through rank, and, you know, you expect the Patton to go out and slap the soldier.

They couldn't even get close to her, but she could.

And so in that case, she's bringing the mascot type of situation in, but in a more real sense that she's a cheerleader on the sideline.

And then she also encourages a diversification of the army, first of all, to accept individuals like Arthur de Richemont as to accept him in his breton force large very experienced force a military uh um into the regular army whereas the other leaders didn't like richard mall they believed that he had betrayed france which he hadn't in historical terms we would say we hadn't but that that was something and she just said look guys what are you you're more hateful towards each other as nobles and friends than you are at the enemy.

Okay, getting back to Joan as a military commander, why don't you tell us a bit about the siege of Orleans and Joan's role in lifting that siege, which is what gave her her credibility as a leader of troops?