So Other than the obvious of like not having children, what led you down this path? Did you have a lot of clients in this area asking different questions? Like what really drew you to wanting to write a book about that topic?

Well, a little inside baseball about the publishing industry.

I am a person who doesn't have kids and my husband and I actually tried to have kids.

So there was a limit that we reached in terms of how far we were willing to pursue fertility treatments.

And then we got to a certain age and a certain spending level where we thought, okay, let's pause and see how badly we want this.

And then So I view us as child free by choice because we actually, even though I'm almost 50, we actually still have avenues open to us to be parents.

Like I am technically still fertile.

like how you've already identified that and are planning your succession accordingly.