And is that where you started hunting? Give me the background.

Yeah.

So my whole life, I've grown up here in northern Utah.

Been here my whole life.

Same county.

Bird hunting started at a young age.

I mean, here in Utah, you can start hunting at the age of 12.

It makes you think, well, can this even be done without dogs? So if you don't have dogs or a dog, is this something that's accessible? And if you do have a dog, should you even bother training it yourself or should you take it to a master so at least you have something that's proficient?

you know,

and pursuing that.

I feel like life is full of stages.

And, uh, of course I went from my hunting stage at a young age with my family to the sports.

And now I feel like now that I'm out of that aspect, But hunting, once again, brings a little bit of that feeling to me like I did have in sports.

The physicality.

I feel like for upland game hunting, not necessarily a competition against others, but the competition against yourself.

What inspired you to get a bird hunting podcast started? I want to hear the story behind all that, man.