So what do you usually, I mean, obviously each individual couple is going to be different, but are there themes or things that usually work on, or do you see that messes it up or what works? Yeah.

Yeah, the type of infidelity therapy I do, it's called systematic affair recovery therapy.

And yeah, there's not really a...

It can happen in any relationship, no matter what it's...

And so what I like about this, the systematic affair recovery therapy is we go through...

Everything.

So we start at each partner's family of origin and their upbringing.

Does this program have a certain way of communicating with each other or teaching them?

So can you talk to our listeners about what is relational trauma?

So yeah, the way that I use that term is that, um, trauma that typically happens inside of a relationship but we also have trauma that is outside of a relationship that impacts our relationship.

Um, but most often we see it inside the relationship with infidelity and maybe history of like s- um, if one partner had an addiction or any kind of, um, betrayal, which is...

Infidelity is not the only form of betrayal, right? Dishonesty.

There's, um, a financial betrayal.

Um-

... there's not even anything left to talk about once you've calmed down.

down.Yeah, no, exactly.