If you can talk to me a little bit about what you learned in your fellowship and then how that's kind of changed the type of career that you currently have.

Sure.

I was kind of, if you will, a late bloomer.

I wasn't sure exactly what I loved, but I knew I loved the abdominal wall and the challenges with it.

And when I finished all of my training, I wanted to be better at the abdominal wall.

And I wanted to learn everything I could to take as best care as I could to patients.

So I did two fellowships, actually.

Yeah.