So just to get a sense of your own beginnings before you made this documentary, where did you grow up and what role did religion play in that upbringing?

I grew up in San Bernardino, California, in the Inland Empire, as we call it.

It's about 60 miles east of Los Angeles.

It is a dusty working class town.

And until 1990, it was the headquarters of an organization called Campus Crusade for Christ.

They are now called CRU and they're based in Orlando, Florida.

But back in the 90s, they were based in San Bernardino.

Because he must know that that does create this barrier.