And, um, and so one of them I'd like to start with is this notion of yours that women are the first environment.

Oh.

Thank you for that.

As a young, uh, woman myself, I was fascinated by the elders in my community.

M- not just my grandmother, but, uh, just even stories of grandmothers who were no longer there, uh, carried through the conversations.Special conversations you have when you're out, uh, hoeing corn with your grandmother, learning that the fish head has to go under the corn seed to create, and with corn husks to create the warmth for the seed to grow.

And so growing up amongst elders who gave birth, some of them hanging on the kitchen doorknob by themselves.

And so when the opportunity arose to develop an indigenous women's network through the elder women of key communities in North America, uh, I and others were invited to consider what are the characteristics.

And, uh, so I wonder how you think about what wisdom is and about the different wisdoms that come with different stages of life.