And if it's not too personal, what happens to you? And then what do you see with all these people that you work with? How are you seeing stress impact them?

Yeah, to be honest with you, you know, I started my own business when I was 29.

I was fairly young, right? So the typical stressors that I just mentioned have never surprisingly had any sort of impact with me.

You know, I work in a very fast-paced industry.

So I am constantly rolling with the punches.

I'm constantly putting out fires.

I am very customer service oriented.

What are you seeing here?

Yeah

... that bouncer can, that can navigate that for you.

Um, if I'm being honest, you know, and, and we spoke about this earlier, you know, my mother was corporate HR and, you know, she came from affirmative action.

And when I started to work doing recruiting, you know, I found it very weird when clients did specify what they were looking for in, you know, ethnicity or color, and I was almost shocked to see that that happened in the nonprofit sector.

And then when I started to work doing recruiting for charter schools, you know, it became sort of the norm.

You know, our charter is serving Black and brown students, and we want our teachers and our leaders to look like them, so it became very normal.

So this idea is not, has not changed for me.

Mm-hmm.

What does that look like to you?

Yeah.

I think that you need to have what your screening process is figured outPrior to even posting.

So what does these rounds look like? Who's meeting with the person? You know, is it one round? Is it two rounds? Is there a test that goes along with it? Is it a higher level search? Are they meeting with the board? So knowing all of that rather than winging it and having a realistic timeline, so that way you understand when you're going into the market live with job postings, if you stick to your timeline, and then t- keep into, or take into consideration that this person will need to resign and give a certain amount of times notice, you'll know when this job will be filled by.

So understanding what that is, again, before you go in live.

Right.

Um, to answer your question regarding background checks, yep, completely different process.

You know, there are all different background checks.