Before we get into the topic, why did you both decide to set up Togetherly, and what is or was your approach?

Yeah, thanks.

Well, firstly, thanks so much for having us.

So look, as I said, we're both couples therapists, and we just felt there was something missing in the space.

And when I say that, a lot of couples reach out when they're in crisis, and that's where couples therapy works, and that's amazing.

But when we look at individual therapy, we've really come a long way in saying maintenance therapy, like, let's work on ourselves before we actually get to the crisis.

So when we get to the crisis, we have the toolkit, and then we're actually able to get through it, opposed to having to kind of fall flat when it happens.

Yeah.

How do they work through something like that?

Yeah, so I suppose one of the things is to say that it's knowing that is normal.

Yeah.

Knowing that...

We all have different things that crop up.

It's kind of the life cycle and where we're at.

But talk about it.

And so, you know, it's the time we're living in that many people are struggling with.

Is that, is that kind of the thought process of it?

Yeah.

So from the processing standpoint, like ketamine will kick in in like two to ten minutes.

Like it's a slow onset.

And then but then you start feeling different and you're like in this zone of thought.

Right.

There's so much still that doesn't make sense to me.

I don't know them, but I've heard from friends of patients that have had ketamine therapy and it didn't really seem to matter.

I really hope

you washed it that day, otherwise you'd probably be like, oh.

Oh no, mate, I probably did smell nice, right, but it was very like, off my head, there's a picture where I'm like, oh.

I'll find it after this and I'll send you, is it? Oh, wonderful.

Okay, we've got more questions about Bischoff in a bit, but why was it like going to a rumble? I feel like a rumble's a better one to go to than a

mania.

Honestly, right, so it was the best.

So obviously it was the one I thought was before.

Right? So that sounds very similar that when you go through those, if you don't know how to process through those big, and you said identity shifts, then what happens?

From what I can tell, that's when people start having conflict, and that's when they start first feeling anxiety and depression.

I think anxiety and depression live in the same space, and I think that anxiety personally acts as a catalyst to depression.

So if you don't understand them, you can never integrate them.

With your grandmother here, this kind of brings some highlight to her.

But from what I can tell with people, with love, safety, and trust, three topics, right? But it's internal and external.

So it's like, how do I know I can love myself? How do I show others I love them? How do I know I can trust myself? How do I know I can trust others? How do I know I'm safe? How do I know that others around me are safe? And if we can't define those items, we stay stuck.

Those young ladies don't eat.

Okay.

So this was, you know, in 2018 when we first opened, we were looking at mental health, and I have an anesthesia background, so I understood ketamine very well.

Um, but then I started seeing, gosh, how, you know, the, the brain when it intakes data, what does it do with it? And that's when you see, you know, people, they'll have certain situations in life and then all of a sudden six months later they get, have a heart attack or they ha- you know, get cancer or they s- get depression or suicidality or, or some weird pain condition, you know, after a very small injury.

And you see multiple surgeries and you see pain stimulators that are being put in these individuals as young as 12, 11 years old sometimes, you know? And what you're seeing is the brain has conflict, is what I like to say it is, instead of trauma.

Um, but we all have different times in life to where we have stress, and what does your brain do with it? And that's really what we're seeing, is there needs to be comprehensive centers, um, instead of just focusing on one thing.

But that's the way that we're trained.

In the medical field, you're trained to-

Yeah.