Why did you start doing this?

Because I needed somewhere to put it.

I went to school for public relations, which is very different now than it was then.

But there were no jobs when I graduated.

So it was like a lot of internships, unpaid internships at a lot of different places.

And then it got to a point where I was like, yeah, I can't afford to live.

So I started working at a gym.

okay, this is,

Wait, an event? Yeah,

I got invited to something, and I said, yeah.

And then I followed through, and I went to it.

And so I was pretty proud of that.

And the guy who was working the door was like, I love you on Pablo's show.

And I said, oh, it's so funny because on Pablo's show, I always feel like he does such a great job.

And then Michael and I show up for like a goof-off, f***-off episode.

Wouldn't I? And then

So how do you, how do you manage that risk, or do you not manage it and you th- throw caution to the wind? And then number two, how do you expose yourself to all kinds of points of views? Like, what tactics, tactics do you use so that you don't accidentally algor- al- algorithm your way into an echo chamber that's not ideal for someone who probably wants to be well-informed? So first, how do you manage the risk?

I think for me, personally, and this may be too personal to be, um, universally, like, applicable, so this may not be good advice or anything.

But I, you know, I, I started my career on YouTube.

I kinda worked my way up.

I started...

Then I got a job at Fox Sports, and then after that I went to ESPN, and then the pandemic happened, and then I went to, I tried a season of MLB.

And then I took these, like, two years of, like, stop.

Mm-hmm.

... find you, your podcast, your socials, wherever you want them to find?

Um, you can find Casuals every Tuesday and Thursday wherever you get your podcasts on audio mediums.

If, again, if you listen on YouTube, you can get that on Wednesday and Friday.

Um, and on Instagram, I'm @nadycolon, and that's mostly it.

I'm sorta not really...

I mean, I'm all, I'm looking at all the socials, but I'm really not actively on them as much anymore.

They're all-

That's betterhelp.com.

of our short haircut? Is it parents? Is it culture? Was it the movies that you grew up with? Yeah, is it

Framingham? Yeah.

Framingham, Massachusetts did a number on me.

I think it's probably a combination of all those things, probably.

I think my parents' relationship, they fought a lot when I was growing up.

But my mom, my dad was always the softy and my mom was always the hard ass.

is the the modeling that i guess i saw i don't know if that's reflect this might be one of those things where you guys can see it more clearly than me so i'm just gonna tell you facts about myself um the the haircut thing made me in my youth um very funny it made me more accepting of Like, let's say we're in our boy band phase, right? That was middle school for me.

have treated me this other way.

He saw the first four.

Damn! Okay, Cortez, I want to know how it is because, listen, please hear me.

The world of reality TV and the exploitation of all the blah, blah, blah, it's all bad.

It's all a nightmare.

Everything going on in youth sports seems like a nightmare.

But in a world that is this, don't we deserve a reality show where you see how nutso these parents can get when it comes to watching their kids play? It's clearly rife with drama and intrigue.

produced by somebody who has been a mainstay in reality TV.

because my kids hate me.

And I guess it really pissed off Jordan to where she just started yelling at Charlotte for like an hour, didn't she?

Yeah, I listened to that.

It was tough.

Charlotte is like, she went to school for journalism.

Charlotte is still a journalist.

I know it's a dying breed.

We've got Pablo Torre and then basically Charlotte Wilder.

You're good friends with Pablo, Pablo Torre, and the amount of crap he has had to deal with over the last couple weeks of people trying to say that he was making all of this up about the Clippers, about him lying, about his sources weren't right, and then, bam, the biggest punishment that I can remember in modern sports in a long time, I've got to think that your friend Pablo is just... absolutely loving it today, watching these people eat their words.

And I guess it really pissed off Jordan to where she just started yelling at Charlotte for like an hour, didn't she?

Yeah, I listened to that.

It was tough.

Charlotte is like, she went to school for journalism.

Charlotte is still a journalist.

I know it's a dying breed.

We've got Pablo Torre and then basically Charlotte Wilder.

You're good friends with Pablo, Pablo Torre, and the amount of crap he has had to deal with over the last couple weeks of people trying to say that he was making all of this up about the Clippers, about him lying, about his sources weren't right, and then, bam, the biggest punishment that I can remember in modern sports in a long time, I've got to think that your friend Pablo is just... absolutely loving it today, watching these people eat their words.

And I guess it really pissed off Jordan to where she just started yelling at Charlotte for like an hour, didn't she?

Yeah, I listened to that.

It was tough.

Charlotte is like, she went to school for journalism.

Charlotte is still a journalist.

I know it's a dying breed.

We've got Pablo Torre and then basically Charlotte Wilder.

the biggest punishment that I can remember in modern sports in a long time, I've got to think that your friend Pablo is just absolutely loving it today, watching these people eat their words.

And so for me, I just want to, you know, make sure that it stays, the focus stays where it should because people are playing at such a high level.

Why does everybody want to talk about everything except the great stuff we're doing on the court? I would like us to focus on the on-court stuff that we're doing here.

I stated my opinion, and I'd like to move on.

And to that I say, and sort of to your point about how much do we think she knows, my most generous reading to Sophie Cunningham is to be like, maybe she didn't know what she was dipping her toe into.

when she dipped her toe into it.

But I feel like you, as a woman, a female athlete in sports, you're a little late to the conversation.

You should have a basic understanding of the issue and know that this was what you were inviting in to the W.

Can we make those feet?

Mm.

And they were so funny, engaging, smart, welcoming to their sport.

They were very like, "Come on in.

Like, we're gonna b- go on a run.

This is gonna be crazy." I mean, I had watched soccer.

I've... had cared about...

The 99ers obviously was huge for me as a child.

Yeah.

Yeah

... like, "I won't talk sports with you.

You are such an expert." And in my head, I always feel like I don't know enough anyway because there's so much to know in sports.

And so when I launched Casuals, I wanted to make those people feel invited and welcome in the conversation, and I also wanted to take, like, smaller sports and make sure that they all...

If something very interesting happened in a smaller league or a sport that maybe doesn't get covered as much on TV, I wanted to make sure that we got it into the show because it was something interesting and worth talking about.

And so because of that, and because we try to keep it to an hour, which we do a h- a horrible job of doing, I don't think they've ever been an hour, um, it just sort of, yeah, naturally, I guess, started to organize our rundown for the show the same way that you would for a TV show.

'Cause for me, it's just easier to always have a framework to eventually blow up and go-

Yeah

Mm-hmm.

But there are people who are not doing that work, and so they're being served this stuff that makes them angry, and because they never refuse it, they just double down on it.

So there are communities online that really think that when the NFL season starts back up, like all of the things Diana has...

They wanted her vote taken away for the NFL awards.

There are communities that are fully still every day-

Okay

... would be if they flagged her because she spent a lot of time, like, with the Lakers, and I would be annoyed by that if it were my team, and you were coming in here being a Knicks fan, and you were, like, just five days ago rooting for the Lakers.

I suppose it was a statement from the manager to give those players a chance, and by God, did you all stand up.

Yeah, I suppose training matches, um, you know, girls put their hands up, and it was nice, um, for everybody to get game time, you know? Um, if you don't get game time in a match, I suppose, um, like this, you're not going to.

So, um, yeah, everyone was given a chance today, and it was up to you what you were gonna do with that chance.

Have you found that as a group?

Yeah, no, I have.

Um, there's definitely been a big transition over the last few years.

Well, I don't know, I don't ...

You're not allowed to probably use the word transition, but in terms of, um, just new players, new faces.

Oh.

But it was like she studied the, um, she did what you should do, but that no other celebrity would ever do.

Celebrity Jeopardy! is always like, oh, if you even make it to the end, 'cause a lot of people just get ...

It's like a ...

And I met my match, a person who took it too seriously, and she took it seriously in exactly the way I didn't, and I, um, blew it.

But it's so fun.

It's so fun playing Jeopardy! because it's ...

Got to.

Less uplifting is this article, Katie, in your folder, from the Houston Chronicle in early 2002.

Okay, this headline says, "Chlorine Gas Kills Gorillas at Valley Zoo." Subhead, "Firefighters found three gorillas unconscious and several others suffering from chlorine inhalation.

Three western lowland gorillas died and a fourth was in serious condition Sunday after a chlorine gas leak at the Gladys Porter Zoo in Brownsville.

The gorillas were all groggy and unresponsive.

The zoo identified the gorillas killed as 10-year-old Kayla, her 11-month-old son, Makoko, and a two-year-old female named Uzuri."

... from a communications executive at the Cincinnati Zoo three months after Harambe's death.

Hi, Jeff.

A while ago, we talked about the possibility of you selling your Harambe videos and donating the proceeds.

Oh.

They should be, but I don't know with ESPN.

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And then, inexplicably, the umpire, Eric Gregg, he just kept making the hand signal for a strike.

It was so bad.

It was probably the worst, um, umpiring I've-- I can remember.

The outside of the strike zone, um, it just didn't end.

It was like a never-ending strike zone.

The worst umpire today would've been upper tier in 1997, but the crazy high speed of the baseball means sometimes umpires are gonna get it wrong.

It just feels to me like it's asking a lot of the umpire to be able to recognize if it nicked the inside of the strike zone on its way over the plate or if it didn't, and, and I know we all make fun of the egregious calls, but I feel like some of them, y- you're not standing back there.

You're not having to do it entirely with your eye.

I'm over here

doing my makeup and streaming your show.

That was my intern.

And you're just like, good job everybody.

But anyway, I had I was looking at the one of the promo clips that you posted on Instagram and in the promo clip, it cuts to an audience reaction shot.

And Pablo's like looking up and smiling.

And I'm like looking into middle distance.

What sucks

Yes.

She's snowboarding on a trip with her friends two years after retiring, maybe a year and a half.

And- She's, like, having fun competing.

She feels, like, this pull of competition, and she was like, "Could this be what figure skating is? Could I do this with what I'm really, really good at? Instead of being so stressed that any mistake I make is gonna cost me every dream I've ever had, can I instead go into it like, 'Oh, I'm actually really good at this.

Watch what I can do, and s- let's see if I can get gold with that.'" And so she came back to figure skating.

Her coaches were like, "Uh, I don't know if this is a good idea." She said, "I'm coming back on my own terms.

I pick my music.

[laughs]

How did Dan really feel? I mean, he said how he really felt, but he obviously had information about that because he's childhood friends-

No, he's just...

He doesn't- he's just upset.

He's like, um, your friend gets fired from a job that you think he was good at, I would hope you go to bat for your friend.

They weren't, like, texting.

He doesn't have inside information.

He just found out from me.

It's interesting that that's the comparison point and not Greg Olsen, who's better than both of them.

So if you wouldn't mind, and I know like you guys wanted this in the worst way because six or seven years put us there as the Patriots are making it to the Super Bowl for the first time in seven years.

Well, listen, it's been painful, Stu.

It's been a long drought.

I've found myself questioning, do I even like football? Is this even something I could see myself continuing to root for and waste my Sundays watching in the future? I really did a lot of soul searching.

And so for the Patriots...

During a rebuild, to make it back to the Super Bowl, I think has renewed my faith in the sport.

I'm back in a big way.

He's

Put us there as the Patriots are making it to the Super Bowl for the first time in seven years.

Well, listen, it's been painful, Stu.

It's been a long drought.

I've found myself questioning, do I even like football? Is this even something I could see myself continuing to root for and waste my Sundays watching in the future? I really did a lot of soul searching.

And so for the Patriots...

During a rebuild to make it back to the Super Bowl, I think has renewed my faith in the sport.

I'm back in a big way.

Wow.

they call about rugby, they're trying to get a take from you on the

rugby? Sometimes people ask for very specific takes and I'm like, I don't have a take on this.

I'm very honest.

If I don't know the answer, I don't know the answer.

But like, you know, an hour is kind of difficult to do.

I'm not here monologuing every day about sports.

So I'll give you my takes if I have some, but then I just open up the phone lines and basically just talk to people

Katie, it's time for you to open your gift.

Yeah.

... watching basketball.

You can like the experience of going to a baseball game.

I think of all the people that are in a baseball stadium and how many of them listen to a baseball podcast.

I bet it's not that many.

And so I feel like I just wanted a place where people who have sports fans in their lives and they wanna connect with them but they feel like sports does a really good job of talking to people who already like it, I kinda just wanted to make it more accessible.

Like hey, we don't care if you don't know what a first down is.

Mm-hmm.