Tell me about that.

That came across...

So, all right, we're jumping back to, like, 2017, 2018.

I got my first job in the field as a counselor.

It was way more intense than I thought it was gonna be.

Um, paid a lot less than I thought it would, which I feel like is a harsh awakening for anyone that goes into the social services field.

[laughs]Um, and I was- So at that time, I was bartending a couple nights a week, playing gigs a couple nights a week, and doing a full-time counseling job.

Um, what's sort of your perception of the music scene here in general? Um, and are there any misconceptions that, um, you know, you find people have about it?