I wonder what your thoughts are

about that.

I mean, as it's probably clear from what I've spoken to you, I would have never reported before, no matter what a psychologist would have recommended.

And when I reflect on a couple of the other options or other solutions about recording, you know, taking a testimony between a psychologist or videoing, I mean, they just feel like they would have never been an option to me.

I couldn't say out loud what happened to me.

It took many sessions for me to slowly start to explain a little bit more each time.

And there were some memories that I just never really said out loud.

yeah

What does the therapist do, the psychologist do whi- while you are recalling those memories?

So we're sitting opposite each other.

They're sitting in front of me, and they're asking me to bring up in my mind or recall certain memories that hold certain emotions for me, and they might then just say, "Okay, notice what's coming up." And then after we do that, they move their finger from one side to the other side, and I follow along with my eyes.

There are a couple of other ways that I was also doing it, so you can also tap with your hands on, like, your knees from one side to the other.

I'm not exactly sure of the science behind it, but it helps to immediately lessen the strength of the emotions that are being recalled.

It's a guided kind of process then after that of following that feeling or following that emotion wherever it then goes.

And so it's not always that the memory is the thing that's in the front of mind.

Why?

Katie, how did that make you feel that you have had to undergo such trauma throughout your life, then you have the courage to go and get help and to undergo extensive therapy, you have the courage to report that to the authorities, and th- then this happens to you? How does that make you feel?

I mean, I was blown away that I had gone through the process.

I'd done the hardest thing I'd ever done in my life, which is to tell people and to tell the authorities, who I didn't know.

I didn't know the police people that were involved.

I didn't know the prosecutors that were involved.

They were being let into the most traumatic thing that's ever happened to me, and I had gone through all of that because it was the right thing to do, and I wanted it to potentially stop happening if it was happening to other people.

Ultimately, I wanted to seek legal justice for what had happened to me, and to be told that the very therapy that had unlocked my ability to talk to the police was the reason that I couldn't get that legal justice is so deeply unfair.

And I now understand that if you do actually have this therapy, now you actually have to pass over your consent or consent to the therapy that you are aware, if you do go through this and then make allegations and pursue justice through the system, that you then have to consent there is a possibility that you won't be able to do that because you've undergone this therapy.