Why don't-- because they're so similar, Katia, why don't you go through moralization now?

Sure.

I'd be happy to.

It's, uh...

Yeah.

We've warmed up, and it really is a very specific type of rationalization, so there's quite a lot of overlap.

It, it really...

They see themselves as either doing the bad things in, in fantasies of their mind or in actuality, right? Or like, "I am, I am the abusive person." Uh-