The accessibility thing I find quite difficult that and I think that's why like walking tours and the stuff that like Glasgow City Heritage are doing GBBT are incredibly important because it's different ways of like accessing this information I think that's why I loved your work so much that with the walking tours as an accessible way and you have different formats that people can access that information so it's not like you're not creating a barrier with price you're not creating a barrier with like people feeling that they might not be welcome there Can you tell me a bit about the process of how you came to you starting the tours and just trying to create a welcoming environment for everyone?

Yeah, absolutely.

So I guess, yeah, I haven't even kind of given the background of the tour.

So we did the first one.

We're coming up on our five year anniversary.

Next year, we're going to be five years old.

So we did our first tour as part of the May Day programme, the Trades Council.

What do you think makes Glasgow radical? And then I suppose you have to talk about how do you define radicalism? What is radical?