Yeah.

And that's what we do here at Liberal Currents.

Like, I definitely think that you're right.

And the army officer character, I do know who you're talking about in many, many instances.

of her that got widely reported on.

It reminds me actually of, and I'll put the usual caveats around this, that I am not a maximalist when it comes to thinking like, oh, Gamergate changed the world and all that.

But it was definitely a stop along the way that also had a lot to do with gender.

Again, I'm just kind of rambling here, but I just see these patterns recurring over and over of like they're trying to like wind the clock of history back, but they can only do it in imagination.

What responsibilities do you have towards your neighbors?" And, and I think what's something that I had never thought about before that you make the point with this third-order harassment is that even when people are not directly criticizing this woman, just by discussing the idea of like, what does it mean to be a good neighbor, they're circling the energy around her so that she is more and more and more in the field of discussion, which causes all this negative attention and hatred to come her way.

In my brief gloss on third-order harassment, I focused on people sort of justifying the abuse in a very direct way to one another that, you know, they could then bring to the target.

But another critical point I make, and one that's m- morally difficult for me, nevermind for other people, is recognizing that even if you try to defend the target or you try to have some sort of neutral discussion about the issues raised by the harassment campaign, you are putting fuel on the fire, that it is just all completely agnostic to intent.

In that particular incident with the chili woman, uh, there was even like a Washington Post lifestyle piece about the, you know, ethics of making food for your neighbors, and I say something in the book along the lines of like, just imagine how awful it must be to have this offhanded thing that you did out of kindness, uh, suddenly be debated in the pages of one of the nation's largest newspapers.

Another example that I can point to was from a couple of years ago, this major TikTok blowup.

It was this innocuous video of a bunch of young college-age men sitting on a couch, like watching a movie or something, and then one of their girlfriends comes in by surprise.

She'd been away on a trip or something and came back early unexpectedly, and the young man seemed almost nonplussed.

This is also, I thought, such an, an ... for me, a really eye-opening insight about social media, the idea of affordances.