So my question is that what have those experiences taught you about doing science? And are there qualities or approaches you have adopted from these research cultures? that have influenced the way you run your own lab or your leadership roles?

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, absolutely.

And I'm not sure I need to go into the details of what I like to talk about these specific countries, especially pros and cons.

But I think what I like about the merge between Germany specifically, more of the Scandinavian approach and the North American approach is that there's a little bit of a, how to say that, Maybe in Germany during my PhD, I always felt that things were very sort of nitty gritty, very detailed, which is certainly great for scientific rigor and really getting to the bottom of problems.

But what I found really sort of refreshing and mind-opening when then moving to the US for a postdoc was the bigger thinking and how it's okay to think big.

And, you know, how...

What qualities you think will define the next generation of leaders in immunology or mucosal immunology? Or what advice you will give it to them?