With that, with, with your interior wellness philosophy, how do you balance, say, your clients' needs, your intuition, the longevity, like, when you're designing a home, and what is your take on trends?

So I balance these things by, I try to really listen to the things that they're saying and to what they tell us, 'cause I don't know if you feel this, Michelle, but sometimes it's like people say things and without even realizing that they're saying it.

They're describing, like, a need that they have without being like, "I need to spend more time with my family in this room," or, "I need to," like, "I want to be at the table more with everyone." You know, it's like th- they're, they're, they're saying like, "Oh, we never hang out in there," or, "This is, like, a dead space," or...

I try to really listen to, like, the, the deeper level of what they're saying so that then I know, like, they need more warmth, or they need more stimulation.

Maybe something is, like, too calm.

[laughs] And your entire life, yes.

I would like...

I don't know if this is a fair answer, but I think it's a, it's kind of a repeat.