out.Kate says she regained consciousness and moved to a bed, where she says he choked her again and said he wanted to film it this time.

He got on top of me and put his hands around me like this, and stated that he wanted to watch me pass out.

And that scared me a lot more, because I knew if I was in a choke hold, if I passed out, like, it'd be dead, dead weight, and I didn't think he'd be able to keep holding on.

But if I passed out on the bed, like, he could have just kept holding on.

He could have killed me.

So I told him to just do it how he did it before and video it, just in case if, I mean, if he did kill me, there's video.

What was the message broadly that you delivered to s- the school officials? What did you tell them?

We told them a part of what had happened, like the big events, and really just that we were scared.

still making those responsible choices, you know, within the resources that they have

regarding their nutrition.

Yeah.

Well, I think in order to make the best choices for them, it is about being aware.

Awareness, I feel like is a key piece here.

We all want, well, I would say I'm someone, there's a lot of healthism.

So I'm someone who kind of like working with clients too.

yeah yeah and Kate one of the challenges that a lot of people have and when I was building the podcast I had a number of people ask about sort of the crossover between eating disorder recovery and also living with chronic diseases and I just wanted to bring that into this conversation because you are working within this crossover and yeah putting together a group So I just wanted to give you some space to talk about that because it's something I've come across before and I really think could be helpful for so many people.

But I think that's the current reality that just the cycle of news, the cycle of global politics is just making things a lot harder to predict.

I completely agree with Bruce around the uncertainty, but I think as well, it's that sense that AI is here.

It's kind of fundamentally, everybody knows they've got some really big competitive decisions they've got to make.

And the uncertainty around how do you make them, I think, at the moment.

So you've got on one side, people are really struggling, loads of experimentation, but very difficult to scale.

So people don't have the confidence to say, we know this is the right way to go.

And the flip side as well, huge investments, huge investments in technology and everybody's looking at kind of token consumption and token pricing and we're not sure how to model it.

Because if you're uncomfortable with breaking away from this sort of the rigid way that your work looks now, then I suspect you're not going to be prepared for these changes and these disruptions.

It's interesting because there's definitely a sense that there are efficiencies to be had with the implementation of AI, but I think you're right in saying that some areas haven't quite been figured out yet, have they? And Kate, how are you approaching those conversations around AI with clients that you're working with? Because do they feel like it's a real opportunity or is there just pressure to implement and get it into their organisation?

I think both.

I think there's a sense of real opportunity and that pressure of we're not quite sure how to respond.

But for me, I think your question about is it just a new technology is actually a brilliant question because I think one of the challenges is that organisations are treating it like it's just a new technology.

If you think about the challenge we were saying, people aren't really adopting it, they're not using it.

And I think we're we're pushing it out as if it was a new technology and we're all used to the next drop of software that comes and you just intuitively work it out.

And actually AI isn't intuitive, it's a completely different way of working, it's a completely different way of thinking about how you do your daily tasks and until organisations start tackling that challenge I don't think we're going to see AI scaling beyond a little bit of personal productivity.

So, I mean, Kate, firstly, what do we mean by this? And I suppose from your perspective, what's the answer to successful human and AI collaboration and AI implementation across firms? What does good look like?