How did that process work?

Some other survivors that I know who have been advocating for many years, we've all been working, trying to bring awareness to the industry for, for many years on and off.

We were doing this campaign that, um, my friend Jenna Bolles had decided to reactivate called Breaking Code Silence.

We decided to take these pictures with, you know, our mouths covered with tape and holding up these signs saying which programs we went to and what happened to us, or what issues these places gave us.

You know, as everyone has seen.

Now they're flooded on the internet, you know.

At the same time that we did that, I believe that's the same time that Paris was filming her documentary.

It was just something that I, I just saw.

[laughs]

So if I hadn't had, like, like, I was gonna be locked into that style, um, 'cause it was selling and that's what...

We'd like another.

We'd like that in Christmas.

We'd like that in, you know, St. Patrick's Day.

We'd like all of it.

And so I would say the lesson in there is probably, like, go for your big, scary dreams.

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