Uh, you know, so if we have writers listening to, you know, to this conversation, what might be some things for them to consider when deciding maybe what publishing route for them to take?

Yeah.

Well, it's, it's a different world now.

When I was first traditionally published, I was...

That was, the hardback was in 1988, and the paperback was 1990.

And then I had a U- US b- uh, hardback in 1990.

But it's, it's a different world now.

What does the system look like for you in order to complete so many works of literature? 'Cause if I write, if I do writing, like one page of writing, I'm exhausted.