Yes.

So gastrocnemius is your adrenals in literature that we have.

And so a lot of my athletes, they work so hard and train so hard for one event, and then they can't understand why all of a sudden they have calf pain, or when the calf starts hurting, that they stress it so hard that their Achilles tendon rips, separates.

Boy, that's a big one, and it's all because of adrenal exhaustion, and they're not taking care of it because they don't know.

They don't know.

They push through everything.

And then we talk about, um, joy and, and vitality.

Um, Kate, how about for you?

I'm curious with your experience, um, the lens that you can bring to this, what that means for an athlete or a performer or a professional who has to think really quickly within seconds for, for their performance, and how having these emotions stuck can really affect their performance.

Hmm.

So one of the things that I tell every client, no matter what their career is, and if they're going to give a presentation or a performance or run for a race, is, is to make sure the energy is flowing throughout their body so that they don't hold tension.

And that's called breathing.

So we have talked about that before.

And when you take a nice deep breath and relax your body and shake yourself out, and then you, you're moving onto a stage.

At least that's what I used to do.

[laughs]

Do you want to dive into a little bit of explaining what that is and what it means for people in the movement?

Well, this is an interesting element, water.

And so with water... you can look at this in a number of different ways.

I was looking at the wheel, the elemental wheel, And we talked about metal and we looked at quadratus lumborum and supraspinatus and we're looking at large intestine and then we go through all of them, diaphragm.

What I looked at it as, wow, we just covered the core muscles.

How sweet.

Because when you get out Grey's Anatomy, you can look at and see that the diaphragm comes down and anchors in that lower area.

Yeah.

But for those people who have everyday jobs and sometimes very repetitive actions that they do in their jobs or mental processing that they do, in what way, based on this metal element, do you find people cope, coping, trying to cope, and struggle in those environments, um, with a, a view through the metal element? Can you share some of that?

Well, you know, we, we're talking about the lungs.

Since I did this for 14 years, [laughs] it's sort of ingrained in me.

But one of the things, if we look at the physical side, when, when you go to work, maybe you don't like your job, you know? And so what do you do? You might struggle to breathe.

You might struggle to hold your breath or not breathe deeply.

And so that's one of the things that I used to see in my practice, is that the f- one of the first things I would check was I would ask that person to take a deep breath.

Where's the breath coming from? And in most people, stress, you know, I'd ask their stress level.

But what would you support them with in preparation for some of the races in regards to the breathing? What would be some of the key things you might bring up?

Thanks Kate for bringing this conversation forward.

Thank you for having me again.

This has been fun.

When I looked at the muscles that we're talking about today, it took me back to my book on carpal tunnel.

So we're looking at upper body.

And so repetitive strain injury is about the upper body and from the neck all the way down to the hands.

So we have the brachioradialis.

Kate, have you got a few examples of...

Can you talk a little bit about how that changes the fire in them and what happens?

That scenario applies to a lot of different occupations, not just athletes or performers.

It's my career executives or the person who chooses a career that they think that's what they're going to stay in for a while, but then they realize five, ten years down the road that this isn't what I want to do anymore.

And so that's where you start searching, I did that.

because I did respiratory therapy for 14 years and realized due to circumstances and things that occurred within the hospital that I didn't want to do this anymore.

And so I started hunting.

And I never knew that that's what I would end up in in massage therapy.

So what have you noticed about people who use movement? What is the shift that happens for them?