So I wanna start with the question that I ask everybody, which is a loaded one for you, but what brings you into the world of grief and loss?

Well, after the-- losing my father to heart failure, my mother in a tragic car crash five days before Christmas, and of course losing our beautiful 16-year-old daughter, Penny, I have experienced loss.

I've been in it, like the rest of us who've had, you know, this loss.

You know, there's nothing more debilitating, isolating, and when I experienced those losses, there was no book out there that brought me comfort and this idea of, of finding healing, strength, and joy again.

And actually, the only book out there that brought me comfort was Laura Lynn Jackson's book, Signs.

And a friend had gifted that to me, and I was like, "This is everything.

This is what I've been looking for." And so yes, so I carry grief with me every single day, but I also reach for the light, and I carry joy of my loved ones with me every single day.

Yeah.