Kind of give us a little bio about you.

So I am married.

I have two grown children.

And interestingly enough, every member of my family ended up in real estate.

So I always, my theory that all roads lead to real estate is actually true.

All roads lead to real estate at some point or another in your life.

So I started in commercial real estate in my early 20s.

you don't have any idea what you're talking about.