And maybe can you talk about some of the steps that maybe even the baby steps that we could take from going from this all or nothing to having some options?

Yeah.

So, I mean, I think the first thing is just trying to suspend some of that judgment.

And I'm not going to say that I don't have judgmental thoughts because I absolutely do, but I try as hard as I can to keep them inside.

And, you know, sometimes it is just saying, you know, for me, like if I'm starting to have judgmental thoughts towards a client, you know, I kind of step back and say, okay, like, where's that coming from? Like, what about this situation is making me uncomfortable? Sometimes it's just that, you know, hey, this path we're going down is something I've never done before.

And so that feels uncomfortable.

But, you know, in reality, OK, have we, you know, have we educated the client about the options? You know, have we had a goals of care conversation and know that, you know, what what they are hoping for is potentially feasible to accomplish? Is the pet going to suffer if we go down this path? Obviously, the answer to that is yes, then we need to stop and recalibrate.

Yeah.

And maybe can you talk about some of the steps that maybe even the baby steps that we could take from going from this all or nothing to having some options?

Yeah.

So, I mean, I think the first thing is just trying to suspend some of that judgment.

And I'm not going to say that I don't have judgmental thoughts because I absolutely do, but I try as hard as I can to keep them inside.

And, you know, sometimes it is just saying, you know, for me, like if I'm starting to have judgmental thoughts towards a client, you know, I kind of step back and say, okay, like, where's that coming from? Like, what about this situation is making me uncomfortable? Sometimes it's just that, you know, hey, this path we're going down is something I've never done before.

And so that feels uncomfortable.

But, you know, in reality, OK, have we, you know, have we educated the client about the options? You know, have we had a goals of care conversation and know that, you know, what what they are hoping for is potentially feasible to accomplish? Is the pet going to suffer if we go down this path? Obviously, the answer to that is yes, then we need to stop and recalibrate.

Yeah.

And

like you said, I mean, there's a ton of nuance here.

And so, you know, this is, and I've had it said to me, I'm sure I've said it to other people.

You know, I actually, honestly, I had a case yesterday that it kind of floated through my mind.

And...

You know, for me, we absolutely get into situations where we face moral distress and ethical dilemmas because we know that this pet needs a certain level of care and the client isn't able to provide it or isn't interested in pursuing it.

But at the same time, they don't want to euthanize.

Yeah.