So where did, um, Grafen start from then? Did you, did you work in the industry in sort of treatments before Grafen, or did you come straight into that?

Yeah, I did.

I, um...

So I, I ended up in Chicago from Los Angeles because I met my husband and he was from here.

And so when I came here- He was kind enough to tell me, he's like, "W- why don't you do what it is that you would, have always wanted to do, and just forget what your dad would say about it?" Because my dad still wanted me to try to consider doing med school.

And, um, and this was just, I...

Between films I always went and got facials.

And then, as I say, it started to take a toll on you though, didn't it?