And Cat? [laughs]

Asking me now, no.

Asking at the point when I was playing many moons ago, and actually we weren't professional, we, um, weren't spending as much time on the ball, there might have been a place for the 4.5. I've got small hands, I couldn't hold comfortably a size five running down the wing.

A 4.5 would make that easier.

Now, however, absolute backwards step.

Crazy to be doing it for the professionals who are killing it, doing amazing stats.

I, I don't understand.

Ju- just get your takes there on what Zoe said.

You have a bit of a wry smile at, at that one, Cat.

Yeah, I, well, I was just, uh, definitely a Keira Bevan fan today.

Like, in general am, but, like, she, she really did just take it to England.

And what you gotta do when you play in a team like England is play like you don't care who they are.

Like, yeah, of course you respect them, 'cause you have to, 'cause you respect every opposition.

But you just go, "Do you know what? I'm here.

This is what I can do." And I thought the, the run-ins that she did...

She carries on like this, I think that might be hers.