the uh what is it the the united plant savers which is very very much in in sync with you know our concerns and well i mean our concerns are very holistic so tell me a bit about your evolution cat how did you get here how did you what has been your experience professionally and personally that's got you to this place

Thank you.

Thank you, Dennis.

I really appreciate you using the word personal because it has been incredibly personal, and I'm sure the same for you.

It's really important that we separate our worlds, whether it's home life, family life, and our work world.

And yet it's really a calling.

It's the plants.

Can you shed light on what that actually means?