What do you think?

So, so I think because there is, like, social status in prison, and it's very, very different than what you would think of from, like, a high school experience.

Like, the cool girls in prison are the ones that are up to no good, that are there for the craziest things, that are in there doing drugs and hooking up with each other.

That's what's considered cool or having clout in prison, which is so stupid, like absolutely ridiculous.

But I think in the beginning, because that's...

I don't personally think that's who Mackenzie really is.

Now, I don't know.

If you're not dating your cellmate, w- where could you hook up in, in prison?

Mm-hmm

... um, into just a downward spiral.

You know, I started experimenting with other drugs and, you know, going in and out of jail, not really having much respect f- towards my mom at all, which I look back and I'm so, you know, especially as a mom now, upset with myself about.

Because in my head, I was like, if you wouldn't have kicked him out, he wouldn't have died.

What did you do and all this.

So, um, you know, I started, like, taking from my mom, uh, to provide for my lifestyle and my habits and then putting her through even more stress.

Um, I started taking from my little brother.

Wow

No,

No, you're good.

I feel like that's so interesting that you've been to somewhere similar because you really don't understand unless you've actually been there.

I tell people all the time about it and they're like, wait, what? And I'm like, yeah, it's crazy.

But no.

So so while I was there, you know, supposedly dealing with my trauma for my dad's alcoholism and all this.

I ended up getting pneumonia, super, super bad.

So before you get into that story, just quickly, did your mom and your little brother, whoever, take care of your daughter at the time that you went away?

What was she like behind bars?

Um, Mackenzie Shirilla was completely different than the girl that was portrayed in the documentary.

She was very similar to these videos that we're seeing here.

Very much, you know, makeup done every single day, had her clothes altered to fit her tight, um, hair done, gems in her hair, very girly and attention-seeking.

Look at me.

Look at me.

Look at me.

She's now trying to claim that she blacked out and that's what happened? Then how did she keep her foot on the gas?

So you're able to have makeup?

Yes.

So you...

We have commissary, and it's kind of like [sighs] a little, I don't want to say, like, gift shop [laughs], but it's...

You go and you...

Twice a month and you're able to get...

They have some makeup on there, but then your family and your loved ones are able to order you makeup, like drugstore makeup, um, you know, good hygiene, so like Dove or the brands that we know, um, shoes like Nike shoes, Adidas, all of that through these third-party vendors called Access, Union Supply, Walk and Horse, and, um, they get sent in, and they're expensive.

When you say networking side business, like, what do you mean?

And she claimed, look, while she wouldn't say she was friends with Mackenzie Shirilla, she observed how she acted behind those prison walls.

A very light demeanor, if that makes sense.

So lots of laughing, lots of giggling, you know, makeup done every day.

It was never this dark, smug, tough girl act that was in this video trying to portray some sort of remorse.

I never...

You know, I don't know what somebody's thinking.

I don't know what's going on in her head.

Was she a mean girl in the prison?