Mm-hmm.

Um, but it was, it was really fun, and then eventually, like a couple months later, I was like, "Maybe I should try to like make pre-mades and see like how that goes." So I made like a Facebook group, and I started like putting covers out there.

I was like, "Whoever wants it, you can buy it." Um, and then like I started getting traction, um, with like my first clients, and then like two years later is when it really like popped off.

I started, like I got inquired by Savar Miller, Emily McIntire, H.G. Carlton, like that all happened within a span of three months, and that just really-

Mm-hmm

... than the traditional publisher covers have actually shifted how, um, the tr- design space of the publishing industry works, and they of- now they'll hire a lot more freelancers than they used to to try and, like, create those, um, those covers.

So like, I'm just thinking, like, you know, there's the Colleen Hoover covers are, like, very traditionally published style.